Water intoxication danger?

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MagnoliaL
Water intoxication danger?

It is my understanding that the human kidneys can safely filter 15 liters of water in a single day, but, this is over the course of an entire day, and consumption of a great deal of water in a single sitting can cause a dangerous electrolyte imbalance known as water intoxication. Quite recently I have found that I am quite aroused by the feeling of signigficantly expanding my stomach through consumption of water, and was wondering to what degree this can be done while safely avoiding water intoxication, as well as if this electrolyte imbalance may be offset by consuming some amount electrolyte rich beverage such as gatorade before or during the act.

As I am sure it is relevant, I am female, 187 centimeters tall (or just under 6 foot 2), and weigh 59 kilograms (130 lbs).

Yes, I am aware I am quite underweight, and am at present working to remedy this through safe consumption of nutritious foods.

nineteenthly

Yes, it would be safer with gatorade certainly, but medicine is not an exact science even though some medics might think it is, which is why i have hardly ever used water. You can't get it out quickly if it's absorbed to a dangerous level and as well as the electrolyte problem there's the fact that it's a liquid and therefore not compressible. Maybe try the same amount of fizzy drink and make it more balanced? I actually think there's mileage in making our own stuff for the express purpose of safer distension.

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MagnoliaL

Thanks, but I would like some more numbers. Like, in a single sitting, what amounts of water could somebody of my size safely consume without risking water intoxication, and if electrolyte imbalances can be offset, how would I do so?

doubleintegral
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Acute hyponatremia is when your body's sodium content drops too low in too short a span of time (less than 48 hours).  The lack of sodium in the body causes swelling in the cells that can lead to brain damage, coma, or death.

It stands to reason that you run the lowest risk of causing an imbalance in your sodium content if you consume fluids that have a sodium level near your body's.  I used Google to turn up a comparison of sodium contents in various fluids which may be of use to you:

- Human body (normal): 3100-3300 mg/L
- Human body (life-threatening hyponatremia): 2650 mg/L
- Drinking water: <50 mg/L
- Coca Cola: 125-200 mg/L
- Powerade: 230 mg/L
- Gatorade: 460-850 mg/L
- V8 juice: 2000 mg/L
- Saline solution: 3500 mg/L
- Chicken broth: 4000 mg/L
- Ocean water: 13,700 mg/L

Obviously, based on the list above most of the things we drink contain far less sodium than the level at which we would die from hyponatremia.  So theoretically you could die from drinking too much of almost anything if your stomach could hold it.  Speaking in generalities and all else being equal, you would be able to consume roughly 4X as much Powerade as water before experiencing hyponatremia.  However, realistically speaking you are probably physically incapable of consuming that much Powerade in such a short amount of time as to be dangerous.

So how much is "safe" for your specific case?  If you want hard numbers then you probably need to have a degree in chemistry or medicine (or both) or know someone who does.  However, keeping mind that people have died from drinking too much water in a short span of time, you'd probably be better off avoiding water altogether and using a sports drink.

(DISCLAIMER: The above is only written from the standpoint of combining facts with common sense and is probably at least partially incorrect.  It should not be construed as educated advice.)

nineteenthly

I disagree actually. Whereas a degree in medicine enables one to understand the risks in terms of textbook-based calculations, when someone has a textbook case of a particular condition or illness it's the exception rather than the rule and is unusual enough to be remarked upon. Experience with thousands of patients has led me to the point where i realise that what i learned in the lecture room and even in clinical practice is only the basis of the much fuzzier and more complicated messy reality of people's lives. As a result, whereas my answer is unsatisfactory and gives no figures, unfortunately that's the kind of uncertainty people live with all the time. We are not mass-produced machines made to a particular standard so there will be variation, although there would also be safety margins.

An example of the kind of thing that happens is that when i inflate myself, i'm aware that the maximum capacity of my stomach and intestines is theoretically around fifteen litres, but i know i can get twice as much as that in, partly due to compression and partly due to the fact that the body can adjust to what it has to adapt to. I wouldn't want to risk it but i wouldn't be surprised if you could train your body to resist hyponatraemia to a limited extent. However, i'm also aware that the development of resilience to extremes is sometimes only in one direction, for instance with extremes of temperature it's possible to become more resistant to cold than it is to heat, and i suspect the same is true with hyponatraemia, because in the "wild" people would be more likely to need to resist dehydration than over-hydration. Over-hydration is more likely to be a choice than going without water, so there's less selective pressure to resist it.

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Your post actually helps make my point.  Because everyone's body is different, if someone wanted to know exactly how much water they could drink before they might die, it would require advanced knowledge of not only the chemical processes that happen within the body but also the knowledge to determine the exact processes for a specific person's body chemistry.  Hence my reference to medicine and chemistry.  I was not implying that she could simply ask her PCP during a checkup.

What my post alluded to, but did not state outright, is that doing so would be difficult and probably inexact anyway, therefore asking for hard numbers is a fruitless endeavor.

nineteenthly

Fair enough. I was a bit worried about coming across as supercilious and dismissive in that post, so thanks for taking it in a positive light!

Do you think, though, that there could be some adjustment? I'm also interested in the idea of something like a body fluid replacement which is of similar composition, maybe even with the right proteins, which could be introduced into a potential space within the body fairly innocuously, say subcutaneously.

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doubleintegral
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Based on the stuff I found, a pure saline solution is slightly higher than the body's natural sodium content.  I guess you could dilute it with water to get it down to the right range.

That doesn't address the protein issue, but it's something.

nineteenthly

That would depend on whether you mean saline in the sense of the same ions as are in plasma in the same proportions or something else, other constituents and which part of the body it's in. Assuming a completely isotonic solution in the gastrointestinal tract, yes, i'm sure you could go a long way. If one of the constituents was out of proportion, the problem then becomes something like hyper-/hypokalaemia rather than hyponatraemia, but hypokalaemia strikes with little or no warning, so you may not be aware when you're in the danger zone.

The other thing, and of course i'm now well into the realm of complete fantasy, is the osmotic pressure of protein in the fluid, which only becomes relevant in a body cavity or fluid compartment. A mere solution of saline will not be enough in those circumstances and there would be osmosis between compartments unless there was enough protein or something to pull equally on the fluid. Otherwise you get situations like kwashiorkor or ascites, with fluid content climbing dangerously in those regions. If that happens, i imagine you get additional problems than just electrolyte imbalance, because i would expect three things to happen. One is dilution of blood gases. I would imagine oxygen and carbon dioxide would both diffuse into the fluid and i imagine that would cause hypoxia. Another is acid-base balance, in that the fluid concerned may be quite far from being neutral (e.g. blueberry juice!), so you would probably get acidosis. The final problem is the temperature of the fluid, because without it being at body temperature, the body is going to be struggling either to keep it warm or keep it cool. In my stories, i tend to insert a line about warming the air before it's pumped in, but there are other imponderables with gas because of compression changing the thermal energy in it.

Yes, i've way overthought this!

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nineteenthly

Sorry, i see you've already commented on the protein issue.

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Sorry, double post.

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fmcaptain21

If I may interject you might look at yoo-hoo, I believe it has a higher  rating of electrolytes than Gatorade and also provides some proteins.

nineteenthly

Ah, interesting!

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