Expansion in Tabletop RPGs

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TayvaRP
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Expansion in Tabletop RPGs

I'm curious to know if any of of the community ever participates in tabletop RPGs, such as Dungeons and Dragons and the sort. I wanted to share an interesting little spell I found in one that I just started in recently (Warhammer Fantasy RPG, 2nd ed). Basically I encountered a spell which can be used to 'fatten up' a target, to the GM's discrescion:

Fat of The land

Casting Number: 8

Casting Time: 1 minute

Ingredient: A handful of animal feed (+1)

Description: Just as animals fatten themselves up before winter, you cause the character you touch to feed on and store the energy of Ghyran. The subject of the spell does not need to eat for one week, though drinking is still required. You can cast this spell on yourself. Fat of the land is a touch spell.

 

Me and my GM talked it over, and we're definately using it for some shennanigans. I was wondering if any other roleplayers have encountered similar mechanics in their games to be able to 'expand' targets.

Yrrall_Dlok1

The D&D book of erotic fantasy had some pretty daft (fun) spells to use, and lots of capcity for expansion related fun.

TayvaRP
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Is it official material, or fan-made? I'm interested more in stuff that already exists in officially printed books over homebrew

Yrrall_Dlok1

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/10/10739.phtml Official material :)

casualobserver

I read the review. The section on fetishes is described as "perfunctory". Maybe I'm just dense, but doesn't that mean there can't be much expansion material in the book?

GiftedShana
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Heh, well, over the years I've created a homebrew rule set that's based around an inflationary/expasionary world for D&D 3.5. I ran a game of it with 3 others in a forum and for most part it was fun, though the main issue is making it work fluff wise and mechanically. Fluff wise, your character expanded in X number of ways, but now you have a negative to your Dexterity due to your new and somewhat encumbering size. D&D 3.5 was a rules burdened edition, but that's what made so good. Anything you could think of, you could almost always pull off because their were rules for it. So in that vain, I made rules that while they had pleasing positives, had realistic negatives as well.

In total I added a series of new mechanics, 10+ new spells, and 2 prestige classes to the D&D world. Like Yrall mentioned, the Book of Erotic Fantasy was boon when it came to how create and or incorporate the new mechanics, etc.

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TayvaRP
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Interesting. I'd imagine it having an impact on Dex or Agility (depending on what game you play). As I mentioned though, I'm looking more for mechanics that already exist in official books, rather than homebrew... something that you could sneak into a regular game.

GiftedShana
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Ah, looking into it from that angle, you probably have to ask the DM/GM. Regarding DnD, I know a couple things that could maaaaaaaaaaybe do what you're asking, but that would be by manipulating their base effects, something usually only allowed by DM/GM permission. I'll go over things I know which are all DnD:

Enlarge Person(spell): The staple buff spell that increases your size category by 1, and gives you a strength increase. Typically this spell is just to make a frontline character better in combat, but with manipulation, can easily be the spell you're looking for.

Bestow Curse/Bestow Curse Greater: This spell does have a base effect, but it says even in the description that you can create a curse so long as you go over it with your GM. Worded and worked the right way, this could at a low-mid level do exactly what you want, to yourself or others. Your alignment might suffer if you use it maliciously, of course.

Alter Self/Polymorph(spells): Each of these spells are pretty self explanatory, as they both modify/transform your body into whatever you want(within the limits of the spell). Casting Alter Self on yourself and wanting a fattened or more curvy appearance is completely allowable.

Disguise Self/Seeming(spells): Much like Alter Self, except they use illusion to modify your physical features. The first is for yourself, the second is for altering others.

Ring of Sustenance(magic item): This ring functions sort of like the spell you mentioned above. After wearing the ring for 24 hours, the wearer no longer needs to eat or drink, and can breathe regardless of the situation(such as when in a vacuum or underwater). You could add a fluff effect to this ring, in that after the 24 hours, the wearer also plumps up, giving the appearance of being well fed.

Limited Wish/Wish/Miracle/Alter Reality(spell/spell/psionic ability): Obviously for late game play(level 16 an above if I'm not mistaken), these spells have effects that literally alter reality. Little is beyond the realms of what can be asked for. Limited Wish/Wish are for arcane casters. Miracle is for divine casters. Alter Reality is for a certain psionic caster I can't recall the name of. Wishing for your body to expandable/inflatable to your will is well within the capabilities of these effects.

Edit: Reading over this reply, I know it still doesn't exactly fit what you asked for in the OP, so I'm going to dive into my books to see if I can find anything that relates more.

Life is always a bit better once you pop a few buttons.

 

TayvaRP
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It was actually the DM who came up with the suggestion of being able to use it as an offensive spell and make targets pop, since the spell doesn't specify that there's a limitation on how many times it can be used :D

There's also a fertility spell from the same path, which can either guarantee a harvest in a field, or cause conception to occur within a month (provided breeding has occured).

GiftedShana
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I have to say in that case your rather lucky. Is the DM allowing it because he thinks it would be a cool effect in game? I have yet to try and involve inflation/expansion with any of my characters, mostly because of the comedic stigma that comes with it. I mean, I've played high Charisma, high Constitution characters who were as busty as fantasy would naturally allow, but beyond that I think I've only had one such character even only affected by Enlarge Person.

Life is always a bit better once you pop a few buttons.

 

SirFrancisThe3rd
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I would be so down tp join something like that

Well, it's been fun

airtankgirl5
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Fascinating!  Should anyone ever think on doing another inflatible RPG, and I can be of use, I'd be interested in trying it.  I think it'd make D&D a LOT more interesting to me ;)

Daemon13
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I found a direct inflation reference in a  DnD supplement called the Book of Hell my mongoose publishing. It was in a section of what spuls can be used for as they are exactly like the petson they come from but as are indestructable, can be moulded to varipus shapes e.g furniture or weapons. However one was the soul balloon. The victim has their orifices either sealed with pitch or sewn shut barring one. Demons then inflate the soul with lighter than air gasses found in certain layers of the abyss to enormous proportions before sealing them. They can be lashed to a barge with several other ballons to create war balloons. This is apparently very uncomfortable and humiliating for the victim soul. Sounds great to me though!

TayvaRP
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Interesting. Do you think you could reference the page number at all? I wouldn't mind looking for myself.

Daemon13
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I couldnt im afraid, its been years since i owned that book. I stupidly sold all my 3.5 stuff when 4th ed came out. Kicking myself now!

GiftedShana
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D:

You have my heart felt sentiment.

Life is always a bit better once you pop a few buttons.

 

Daemon13
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At least the new 5 ed makes up for it

kidquetzal

This sounds awesome :)

 

Another Canadian Guy
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I haven't played any tabletop games like that, but regardless I would love to have a spell where I could do that to myself!

(Not on here too often, replies might be slow.)

Another Canadian Guy
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(of course, assuming I could reverse the effects just as easily)

(Not on here too often, replies might be slow.)

GiftedShana
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Heh, I don't think it'd be reverseable if demons are involved. Though, say if you found a way to make yourself incorporeal(like a ghost) and the way you flew was by inflating, that'd be pretty neat.

Life is always a bit better once you pop a few buttons.

 

Lopni

A very interesting idea you have indeed, Tayva.

Shana, please receive my fascination with your wonderful ideas!

As for myself, I love D&D and any d20-mechanics in general, but the only game of chance in my mechanics is how long a character keeps the grip before she slips. Everything else is definite - there's no question whether you inflate if the pump is on, and inflation speed is written on the pump.

So more interesting and delightful to see that you managed to use things like "at least 12 on d20 to inflate" or "inflate by 4d6 gallons" and make it fun!

Edit: I eliminated the last game of chance. Now everything is definite - even clenching on the brink.
It's actually more fun this way - you think you're in control, but your whole body vibrates so hard that you just can't catch it to stay together. Well, you'll see ^_^

carnatic

I know it's not gaming but it's from a similar universe. Terry Pratchett's Discworld has a poison used by assassins called bloat. It is derived from pufferfish livers and is administered by poison dart, causing the target to swell up to the size of a zeppelin, before going boom.

Daemon13
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Really? Where did you find  that out? Will have to look through my discworld collection

rjp101

Pyramids. I believe it gets a brief mention early on when Teppic is taking his final exam. All references to it stress the expansion is very sudden, incredibly rapid and always terminal.

GiftedShana
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Found some more spells on the DnD front:

Dire Hunger: This spell is usually offensive, and it immediately fills the subject with voracious hunger. So much so it alters their mouth to appear more like a carnivore's, but one line of the spell stood out to me. Apparently after the mouth transformation, your belly also bloats and distends. Interesting.

Buoyant Lifting:  Basically its a spell that lifts the subject upward through water at an accelerated pace, to avoid drowning. Yet another spell I feel can easily be changed to fit an inflator's/expander's needs.

Bite of the King: This is an offensive spell that causes the subjects mouth to widen drastically, like a snake's. Upon a successful bite check, you immediately consume the target, forcing them into a pocket dimension that rests inside your stomach. The more you eat the wider the pocket dimension becomes, and by that logic I assume the more your stomach would magically grow.

Life is always a bit better once you pop a few buttons.

 

Lopni

A side question concerning OP.

Is there a market for inflationary tabletops?

I ask because you need a partner to play for your opponents, right? ^_^ Say, if I make such a tabletop for free, and share it - is there anybody able to try it (meaning, has a partner to play it with, sitting at the same table) ?

violetGambit
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I know I certainly would.

Lopni

May I ask which world do you prefer as a generic inflation world for a tabletop?

I'm asking in advance - in a month I'll draw ugly figurines for it and I'll need to know whether to draw valkyrias and aprasas with "inflation+5" swords, or businesswomen and bikergirls with helium tanks and airpumps.

airtankgirl5
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Now this is a RPG I'd be willing to try!

 

XXX146
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I've been thinking about something like this for a while, could definitely be fun! ^^

spazzyman

Welp, rediscovered and salvaged this link from the final days of Inflatechan; expansion rules for 5e (And 3.5 and 4e optional) that seem pretty straightforward and something that can definately be built upon for something.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dgsexw2Qr3ptFKiyeEoPPnjPJmFHMXBfki4qtp_NjB0/edit

If anyone uses these, do share stories

Phraxus
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A friend of mine within the inflation community actually ran a 1st edition DnD campaign a few years ago that featured a LOT of inflation-related content.  I played as an alchemist who fought using potions and elixirs, rather than spells - many of which induced inflation of one sort or another.  He did an excellent job of translating inflation into the DnD rules, including how a character's stats would affect the shapes and sizes they could attain.  The party tank, for example, had a ridiculously high resistance to bursting, due to her high Constitution score, allowing her to balloon to insane proportions before having to worry about going bang.  My character, by contrast, had fairly low physical stats (being a squishy caster-type and all), and so could not get very large before reaching her limits.  The one exception was breast inflation - my character had an abnormally large bust, which allowed her breasts to inflate MUCH larger than would normally have been possible for someone with her stats (bigger even than our tank, in some cases). 

I know TheArtificer/ThePencilandPaperGuy was also working on some inflation-themed DnD rules, and has posted a few previews of them over the years, but I'm not sure if he ever released the finished product.  Other attempts at inflation-themed DnD-style games have been made elsewhere, but most of them never got off the ground (or fizzled quickly if they did).  People with the inclination to run games like these, and the temperment to be good GMs, are sadly rare in this community.  The fact that most of the prospective players out there often have... less than stellar attention spans doesn't really help matters either. ^^;

"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men."

Lopni

PM-ed you, ladies who expressed interest.

Let's just try. I have a few inflation adventures that are set in modern world - yep, that bigger campaign scrapped for parts ^_^ You can even play yourself if you like, with all your professional knowledge and gadgets legitimately in the game ^_^ Or - any other character of current century.

I see it like this: first we chat a bit how to do it technically - several messages here or one meeting in Yahoo/Skype/phone. Then choosing time, gathering online and running a session (typically an hour).

Nagi21

Get me in on this too.  I'm legit curious.

Lopni

Lol so far you're the only one - either everyone is busy, or the interest is purely theoretical ^_^

Sure, but you or any other player will have to play a lady.

Just PM me some answers.

 

0. It's not a quiz, answer what you like, not everything ^_^

1. Okay, it's about inflation. But above all it's NOT AN RP, it's a tabletop ^_^ Meaning, be polite with other players and keep your arousal to yourself. ^_^ I know it's obvious, and I know you will, I just have to write it once somewhere ^_^ All right?

2. Time. I'm in UTC+5, working 9:30-18:30. I'm ok with playing within 7:00-8:30 or within 20:00-24:00 UTC+5 any day or weekend. When are you ok to play within these windows? I also might agree to wake up at night if that's the only way - it won't be a long game, just a few quick sessions).

3. Software. I'd use Skype or Yahoo. Maybe you know a better choice?

4. Location. Ideally I'd go with Australia (Melbourne) or Netherlands (Rotterdam-Delft-Den Haag). I also ok with Japan (Fukuoka), Russia (Perm (VSG location), E-bourgh, Kirov with surroundings), UK (Derby, Portsmouth, Glasgo), USA (SF with bay area, west cost Florida, Honolulu) and your own home city (if you tell me about it ^_^ )

5. Level. Do you prefer a low-level or high-level adventure?

6. Adventure. Detective story, hack-and-slash (warning: bursting!), dungeon crawl, mystery, land adventure, nerdy riddles for science!.. zombie horror, anyone?

7. Class. What's your preferred occupation and way of life.

Please PM some of that. Thanks!

Lopni

https://yadi.sk/i/cM-L1dWnqbmJU
https://yadi.sk/i/KXXSYjwKqbmJY

Also - the same files are available through the VSG links, they're in the same folder, subfolder "Game mechanics"

Hello there! ^_^

Since everyone's so busy that no one who claimed "I'm interested!" responded to PM for a whole week - I'll just unleash yet another nerdy manual. Enjoy! ^_^ I'll be happy if you try this game mechanics in an actual tabletop!

Basically what I did is just cut out the scenario, characters, windows, field and such from the Game design document - and the remainder seems suitable to become a game mechanics for a tabletop RPG.

The field is optional, it can be a tabletop without a table as well. But a large piece of paper covering the table, made of large cells, might add a lot to imagination of who is where, what is their relative size - and what you can actually DO to each other.

Figurines. Take a paper rectangle, bend it in the middle to make it stand like a book. Draw a character on each side.
You'll need five figurines like that - normal, inflating and small, inflating and big, full, and overfilled to the very brim. I thought a bit more about drawing. Each player drawing his/her figurines sounds like a good idea for a starter.

The first chapter is by Winglyking - he did it wonderful here: http://bodyinflation.org/node/35923

I miiiight get the time to tinker a bit with this game mechanics and automate it in an easy way. You can look at how the more simple version of this mechanics runs in my older game "Arena"

Have fun! ^_^

Lopni

Please don't read those super-drafty drafts

No-nonsense rules are born only in gaming practice, how else? Currently I'm doing a quickie to play with these rules and see how they work. I'll let you know when Inflation Gaming becomes a document

^_^

CaptainCobalt

I cannot partake in these, as I would flip the table, without using my hands or feet.

spazzyman

So! Having finally put the aformentioned 5e Expansion rules into practice on two seperate occasions and in two different rps, I can definately advocate how well they work, and how much they bring to the game. That being said, it was through text on Yim, but 5e's easy enough to work through Yim, a dice roller and a decent amount of description and mindset.

That being said, 4 words: Decanter of Endless Water ^.^

hfilled

The GURPS RPG system by Steve Jackson has a spell called "Corpulence."  It does exactly what you thinki it does and you can cast it mutliple times on the same victim.

Lopni

One of the ways to use "Bumper Ball Adventures" - is to use its tabletop part with your own game mechanics, not mine

Specifically for that there's a reward - "Printed tabletop RPG & digital book". When you choose it, you don't pay for our manual of game mechanics.

In Update #3 we show a video and a picture of games that can be played using our tabletop without our game mechanics

 

As for game mechanics that we offer - and an example of inflation RPG is in Update #1 - the lowest reward including it is "digital copy" which we have priced at 10$.

Also, since it's digital - it costs us nothing, so it's a pure and simple support of inflation game ^_^

Lopni

Balloons are lovely creations ^_^

 

When balloons are heavy or small - they roll on the ground.

When balloons are light and big - they get carried away by the winds.

When two balloons collide - they bounce off each other.

Neither action is present in AD&D or any other gaming system.

 

When we have introduced them in "Bumper Ball Adventures" - we have found they can enrich any fantasy or sci-fi adventure in new ways:

  • Any ram and knock off actions performed by party or NPCs - from throwing a rider off the horse to a troll and golem running into each other
  • Cell-by-cell detailed gameplay of an avalance - you'll know which stone hits the party and which stone flies over them
  • Fall of a flying creature that has been killed by party - how long it will take and where it will hit the ground
  • Flight of larger missile shots (like ballista's), catapult's stones and thrown grenades - where it is during each round
  • Ram and knock off actions in Armor spell against material objects
  • Ram and knock off actions in Globe of Invulnerability against magic items and their bearers
  • Collisions of Tenser's Floating Disk
  • Cell-by-cell detailed gameplay of Gust of Wind
  • Cell-by-cell detailed gameplay of Repulsion
  • Protection From Fire throwing back torches (possibly, with their bearers)
  • A star fleet navigating in a meteorite pack
  • Collisions of laser shots with energy fields - in which direction they bounce
  • Collisions of material objects with repulsor fields - where a character is thrown after running into repulsor field
  • Cell-by-cell detailed gameplay of Jedi's Force Kick
  • ...and similar events

...or did you think inflation has nothing to offer to mainstream gaming? Ha! ^_^