If I involved young kids in my stories, would you hate me?

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cboy
If I involved young kids in my stories, would you hate me?

I just want to explore how a younger person would react to inflation. I mean, all the stories involving teenagers and adults generally have them freaking out by it, but I think a younger person might find it fun. I remember how much fun I had with balloons when I was a kid. Plus, I think most of us realized our inflation interest as youngsters.

Cheetah

nuh uh. Putting kids into a story with a fetishized topic? nuh uh.

darth_clone19
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I wouldnt hate you. I just wouldnt read it.

I hate kids.

Im not really sure. Most of us probably did get this from youth (as we do mostly everything), but when I was 12 thinking about this I wasnt thinking about girls my age.

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nineteenthly

I would be very uncomfortable with this and it wouldn't interest me. However, what would interest me is how this started for other people.

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cboy

Alright, alright, I guess I should have known the answer to that question. I just want to explore how different people would react to it.

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fetishized topic

Doesn't it only count as that if it involves sexual themes, which I promise you all I wouldn't do in any stories involving kids.

Vertigo

Since inflation comes off as a sexual thing for me, along with multiple others, I probably wouldn't read it even if it was PG-Rated. I'm sure it would be well-written and entertaining, but for the reason of underage children involved in something I consider a fetish, it would probably repulse me.

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LutherVKane
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The short answer: No I wouldn't hate you.
However: I wouldn't host such a story on this site.

This is a fetish site, there's no getting around that. While I understand that not everyone's interest in inflation is sexual in the conventional interpretation of the word, for many inflationists it is. Once you start down that path, things get dangerous. There are plenty of stories on this site that don't involves sexual themes, but I still consider them to be fetish stories.

cboy

Alright, I understand. That's why I asked the question, and now that it's answered, I would like for this topic to be deleted.

blackgirlinflation

I can post this kind of story at the blueberry girl group. I cant find the adress right now.
BTW, I dont enjoy this kind of story.

That nice black girl was really getting big. I pressed the footpump once more and she just popped!!!

cboy
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I can post this kind of story at the blueberry girl group. I cant find the adress right now.

Uh, ok.

cboy
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I can post this kind of story at the blueberry girl group. I cant find the adress right now.

Uh, ok.

Kelvins_Choice

I wouldn't hate you, but I would _STRONGLY_ warn you about crossing certain lines.
The public's feeelings against pedophilia or anything that even remotely smells like it are profound and disasterous.
In this, there's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty.

cboy
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The public's feeelings against pedophilia or anything that even remotely smells like it are profound and disasterous

I guess no one told Furaffinity or Yiffstar, because Furaffinity has a whole section devoted to adult furry art involving young kids (I keep away from it for obvious reasons) and Yiffstar has stories involving incest, sex with "cubs" as they call young kids on there, and other things.

Also, to tell you the truth, I don't think people have a problem with fictional stuff like this, otherwise any site that ran anything remotely resembling it would be getting a serious reprimind.

nineteenthly

Right now, most people in the mainstream seem to think we are weird but that it's an acceptable quirk for the most part, with the exception of some of the DA people, but it wouldn't take much for us to be stigmatised by something like that. We already have the problem of Violet Beauregarde, which can so easily be misinterpreted.

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darth_clone19
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The mainstream? The mainstream sees us as weird? What mainstream? DOnt be paranoid. Just because we get flamed at DA doesnt mean someone is taking action. DOnt exaggerate. Mostly, nobody gives a crap what happens in the internet.

And fetishes (sexual fetishes as opposed to acient fetish objects) are sexual, whether theres actual sex or not. I get turned on by a woman walking by. I find it sexual, but of course, she is not having sex, she is walking.

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Cheetah
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I guess no one told Furaffinity or Yiffstar, because Furaffinity has a whole section devoted to adult furry art involving young kids (I keep away from it for obvious reasons) and Yiffstar has stories involving incest, sex with "cubs" as they call young kids on there, and other things.

Openmindedness and tolerance be danmed, I personally see pedophillia as a unforgivable qwuirk. However, this is the internet and people can post whatever their webhost allow. Just because yiffstar wants to post furry pedophilia really changes nothing. It especially doesn't change the fact that most people will find children in a fetishized topic disturbing. Yiffstar could be looking at other types of child porno for all we know(the real kind). Hell, he may even be under the watchful eye of the FBI. So just because he does it doesn't mean everything is all peachy and fine for him.

I know you're not making that type of story but that's the vibe that people are getting. As such it's going to have to be hosted elsewhere. No one will hate you, but that's how it is.

Inflate123
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It's been done in the past, even when kept innocent, and it hasn't turned out well. People make accusations and everybody walks away feeling hurt or dirty or both. So...not recommended, at least not for posting within these communities. A pure fantasy fiction site, where there are no sexual overtones, is a better bet if you still want to explore the topic as a writer.

doubleintegral
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Probably best to err on the side of caution.

DwarfPriest

If you mean as in kids cartoons, yeah, no prob.

People seems to forget not eveything is about sex... >_>

Remember people: the Blueberry scene was a terror/suspense/scifi thing. Not erotic or porn. Watch cartoons for children from the 80ies onwards, and you'll find lots of inflation. Calm down. I'm getting sick with the "It's inflation, so it's sexual" label.

Darnit, I like to read/watch a good porn myself. But don't label porn what is NOT porn.

cboy

My stories were mostly going to involve Jade Chan, Henry's sister Suzie, Jake Long's little sister Haley, Tai's little sister Kari, and other various cartoon characters. You'd never catch me using a real-life little girl.

And guys, I don't want new members of this site to see this and think I'm a pedophile, so I'd really like this topic to be deleted. I've gotten the answers I was looking for, so there's really no need for this topic to remain here.

deathhoksida3000

Well you be right about the non-sexual thing if he wasn't in a clearly sexaulized community talking about it. It's not like any of us are here to admire "art". Yes some people see inflation as a funny and scary, but not us. Just like bare feet aren't arousing or remotely sexualized to me, but to Victorian men or my friend they are. The sexualization of the situation is what matters not direct sexaul content. I never have too much direct sexual content in my fantsies. Only once and a while, but it always contains girls I liked at the time. No real direct sexual content, but I am clearly having a reaction that is sexual. I see a strong tendency for people to pretend, if only mildly, that this is not a sexual. If you disagree, just look around. How many pictures or stories in this community don't depict someone cute or attractive if not flat out hot? You maybe like me in that direct sexual references in inflation can turn you off to the story or pic, but it can still be quite sexually all the same. I suspect the vast majority of us are into this as a sexual thing, but not a overtly sexual thing. It's a very specailized porn.

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DwarfPriest

"Yes some people see inflation as a funny and scary, but not us"
Us who? I'm just saying that people are too quick to label these things as sexual, even when it's not supposed to be. This is a "inflation website" not a "inflation porn website". CBoy's question is still valid. I see nowhere in the site stating that anything posted here will forcible be sexual. Check the story archive, for example. There's stories ranging from PG to XXX. Not ALL of it is sexual.

That kind of view kinda puts down an artist when he wants to do some art that'll just be labelled as simple porn =/

doubleintegral
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DwarfPriest wrote:
Not ALL of it is sexual.

The point is, much of it IS sexual.

In a government class I took once, the prof said that one of the worst things public officials can encounter is corruption or merely the appearance of corruption. It's all about perception. So, if an inflation story involving a child is posted among lots of other stories with sexual undertones, on a site whose goals including satisfying the sexual desires of its visitors, it will be classified (fairly or unfairly, it doesn't really matter) as porn. Especially if it is alphabetically titled such that it appears next to a story that heavily features sexual content, such as Essence of Justice, Airgasm, or any number of others.

I fully understand and respect that inflation is not sexual for everybody. I am also not saying that it is unilaterally wrong to write such a story. I just don't think it should be posted here.

Archangel_Dread...
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I think that DI nailed, write it if you want, just don't post it here.

So many inflation drawings lack flow/life, they are just a girl standing around with a hose stuck somewhere and large whatevers.

TheReplacement
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DwarfPriest wrote:
If you mean as in kids cartoons, yeah, no prob.

People seems to forget not eveything is about sex... >_>

Remember people: the Blueberry scene was a terror/suspense/scifi thing. Not erotic or porn. Watch cartoons for children from the 80ies onwards, and you'll find lots of inflation. Calm down. I'm getting sick with the "It's inflation, so it's sexual" label.

Darnit, I like to read/watch a good porn myself. But don't label porn what is NOT porn.

Yeah, but most of us aren't on this site for the terror/suspense/scifi aspect. Like Luther Kane said, this is a fetish site and there just ain't no way around that.

This is a bad idea in this particular community. I for one am not looking for anything involving children.

Now if it were some kind of fantasy tale geared toward children, well away from this community...that's a horse of another color. That's well out of my realm of interest.

Just my two cents.

LutherVKane
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Regarding the deletion of this thread: Deleting messages from the forum is something I do very rarely. There has to be a compelling reason to remove a discussion from the historical record. While this topic is controversial and uncomfortable for many, it's still quite relevant. It serves the ongoing community to have discussions like this. When the topic comes up again in the future, and it's quite likely that it will, we can point to this and say "This is what the consensus has been in the past."

I certainly hope cboy doesn't see the responses here as attacks or persecution. I feel this is a healthy discussion of a pertinent issue. Even if the response is overwhlemingly negative, it's a good thing that the question has been asked and answered.

Fukureru-Shogun

I have to agree with Inflate123, regardless of Cboy's intent ( Which actually seems pretty innocent to me ) this will probably be negativly recieved, at least among fetish sites. Writing.com or something like that may be a better alternative.

darth_clone19
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DwarfPriest wrote:
If you mean as in kids cartoons, yeah, no prob.

People seems to forget not eveything is about sex... >_>

Remember people: the Blueberry scene was a terror/suspense/scifi thing. Not erotic or porn. Watch cartoons for children from the 80ies onwards, and you'll find lots of inflation. Calm down. I'm getting sick with the "It's inflation, so it's sexual" label.

Darnit, I like to read/watch a good porn myself. But don't label porn what is NOT porn.

Wait, you are confusing something.

When we talk about inflation HERE, we mean it as a fetish thing. There is a difference between what we see inflation as, and how a cartoonist who doesnt have the fetish sees it as. You cant say that the way of thought is similar between both persons.

I dont know about you, but I dont read the stories here because of their humoristic side. If it makes me laugh, it makes me laugh. If its well written, I will notice it too. But Im not driven to read em because of any of those factors.

Of course, those factors make up the why you like a certain writer though.

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darth_clone19
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DwarfPriest wrote:
"Yes some people see inflation as a funny and scary, but not us"
Us who? I'm just saying that people are too quick to label these things as sexual, even when it's not supposed to be. This is a "inflation website" not a "inflation porn website". CBoy's question is still valid. I see nowhere in the site stating that anything posted here will forcible be sexual. Check the story archive, for example. There's stories ranging from PG to XXX. Not ALL of it is sexual.

That kind of view kinda puts down an artist when he wants to do some art that'll just be labelled as simple porn =/

Wait, just because the story is PG doesnt mean its not sexual. It is sexual to me. A story rated R is not sexual to me, because I dont want sex with my inflation. That doesnt mean it doesnt turn me on.

When we talk about something being sexual, its because its appealing sexually. It doesnt mean it literally has to have intercourse.

This poses a problem for the definitions of pornography. Is pornography only that which presents actual sexual intercourse? And, why is it bad for something to be labeled as pornographic? If its against the law, yes. If its not, who cares.

A woman eating ice cream isnt supposed to be sexual, yet I find it sexual. Does that mean it is not sexual just because I find it sexual when its not? When does something not sexual becomes sexual? I say when I see it sexually, its automatically sexual, even if thats not the intent. Of course, that doesnt mean its a bad thing, or that the person is coming on to me. The media and popular culture are too short sighted to see it that way.

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DwarfPriest

Darth, I'm not saying that sexual things need to have intercourse. I mean that you guys are putting ANYTHING related to inflation as porn. And that's not how I do it. I keep sexual and no sexual stuff well separated.

When I post something on this site, I don't meant it to be sexual, unless it IS SUPPOSED TO BE SEXUAL, not just because someone gets turned on by it. Using the stories as example, some pass way far from anything sexual. The descriptions are light hearted, nothing suggests a character is turned on, excited, or anything with the inflation of someone there.

And again, "MOST OF IT" is NOT "ALL OF IT".

Ya know, I give up. Do what you want, categorize things as you want, beat to what you want. I dont care anymore.

nineteenthly

One thing inflation fetishism shows is that almost anything can be seen as sexual by someone. I look at or think about people being inflated and i just cannot imagine anyone finding that a turn off or unerotic (usually, though there are some gross ones) but to the huge majority of people it just isn't sexual. Therefore, if an inflation story is taken elsewhere and seen in a different context, it will not be seen as sexual. I don't know if Roald Dahl actually meant Violet's inflation to be sexual, but i very much doubt that the average parent, reading it to their child as a bedtime story perhaps, would even dream of that interpretation. This is part of the weirdness of what we are into. However, seen here or on some other expansion fetishist site or group, it is going to be understood as intended as a sexual thing. We have to be careful about this of course, but maybe it could be taken elsewhere and not seen as sexual. It doesn't belong here, i don't think. Even elsewhere, you would have to examine your motives carefully.

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cboy

I really wasn't planning on putting any child inflation stories on this site. I just wanted to make sure you guys wouldn't form a lynch mob if you stumbled across one of them on a different site.

darth_clone19
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DwarfPriest wrote:
Darth, I'm not saying that sexual things need to have intercourse. I mean that you guys are putting ANYTHING related to inflation as porn. And that's not how I do it. I keep sexual and no sexual stuff well separated.

When I post something on this site, I don't meant it to be sexual, unless it IS SUPPOSED TO BE SEXUAL, not just because someone gets turned on by it. Using the stories as example, some pass way far from anything sexual. The descriptions are light hearted, nothing suggests a character is turned on, excited, or anything with the inflation of someone there.

And again, "MOST OF IT" is NOT "ALL OF IT".

Ya know, I give up. Do what you want, categorize things as you want, beat to what you want. I dont care anymore.

Uhh...thanks?

Look, the thing is I consider things sexual if they turn me on, independent of the intent. The tiny toons clip isnt supposed to turn people on, but it turns me on. Thats why Im here.

If stories can pass as something else...then thats ok I guess. By the way, even if theres noone turned on in the story, I am. And, like Ive said before, I actually dislike when someone in the story is turned on.

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darth_clone19
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nineteenthly wrote:
One thing inflation fetishism shows is that almost anything can be seen as sexual by someone. I look at or think about people being inflated and i just cannot imagine anyone finding that a turn off or unerotic (usually, though there are some gross ones) but to the huge majority of people it just isn't sexual. Therefore, if an inflation story is taken elsewhere and seen in a different context, it will not be seen as sexual. I don't know if Roald Dahl actually meant Violet's inflation to be sexual, but i very much doubt that the average parent, reading it to their child as a bedtime story perhaps, would even dream of that interpretation. This is part of the weirdness of what we are into. However, seen here or on some other expansion fetishist site or group, it is going to be understood as intended as a sexual thing. We have to be careful about this of course, but maybe it could be taken elsewhere and not seen as sexual. It doesn't belong here, i don't think. Even elsewhere, you would have to examine your motives carefully.

Im the same way. Id be explaining the details of my fetish to someone within the community, and Im thinking "I cant believe you dont find this appealing"

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cboy

Another thing just occured to me; if a twelve year old inflatee is considered too young, how come Tim Burton isn't getting his butt chewed for making the new Violet younger?

LutherVKane
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if a twelve year old inflatee is considered too young, how come Tim Burton isn't getting his butt chewed for making the new Violet younger?

In the general case, there is nothing wrong with the depiction of a young character inflating, nor is there anything even remotely sexual about it.

This is not the general case. This is a very specific case with rather peculiar traits. These traits are not random or coincidental. They are the result of the conscious choices and preferences of the people involved.

You're talking about creating a story using characters who are children in a situation which has sexual implications for an extremely small and admittedly deviant portion of the population. You've chosen to discuss this idea in one of the few venues on the planet where such deviants congregate in significant numbers. A reasonable person might look at this and conclude that it is your intent to sexualize children, or at the very least that you are unconcerned that this is the likely outcome of your actions.

This is a Very Bad Thing. This is why you're getting your butt chewed.

darth_clone19
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As always, LVKane sums it up better than we can. lol

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cboy

And what, pray tell, makes my idea not "general". I specifically said I wanted to explore how children would react to inflation (i.e, would they be scared, curious, amused, find it fun). If simple inflation itself is considered sexual, why has it been in cartoons for ages?

And guys, I understand you don't like me for this, but please stop busting my balls. I got your feelings at the first response, so quite laying me down with guilt.

LutherVKane
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I'll organize my points so that in the future you can just indicate by number which ones you're not getting, and I can just indicate by number which ones you're ignoring.

#1: The vast majority of people in the general population do not consider inflation to be sexual.

#2: This general population is the target audience of most media.

#3: The creator of such media can reasonably assume that his audience is not going to interpret inflation as sexual.

#4: A reasonable person can safely conclude that Tim Burton is not trying to sexualize Violet when he films her inflating into a giant blueberry.

#5: An extremely small portion of the population views inflation as sexual.

#6: You have chosen to present your story idea at BodyInflation.org.

#7: You can reasonably assume that a large portion of the audience at BodyInflation.org will view inflation as sexual.

#8: A reasonable person might conclude that you intend to sexualize children and can definitely conclude that you don't care that this is the likely outcome of your actions.

Points #1-#4 outline what I refer to as "the general case" and explain why there have not been objections to depictions of inflating children in cartoons overs the years and why nobody is chewing Tim Burton's butt.

Points #5-#8 outline why this case differs from the general case. If you can understand these, then you'll understand why people are chewing your butt.

Points #1 and #5 reveal that the assumption on which you base your question ("If simple inflation itself is considered sexual...") is nonsensical. If you rephrase the question using the active voice instead of the passive voice, this becomes quite clear.

Roger64

I understand what the topic creator is trying to say,it's an interesting idea.

However bodyinflation.org to me has pretty much been a site for my sexual fantasy's. I just don't think a site like this is the best place to put your story...despite the name of the site.

I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything, that's just my view on it.

doubleintegral
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DwarfPriest wrote:
And again, "MOST OF IT" is NOT "ALL OF IT".

This was never in question. We're just saying it doesn't matter.

blackgirlinflation

A logical issue:

1) This is a fetishist site, cboy wants to write a non fetishist story. So, the story should not be here.
2) What turns me on is to see a woman, not a child, being inflated. I think the same happens to almost everybody here. So, cboy's story is not a fetishist story.

That nice black girl was really getting big. I pressed the footpump once more and she just popped!!!

cboy
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#6: You have chosen to present your story idea at BodyInflation.org.

This is the only inflation site I'm a member of that had some non-sexual stories. I assumed that meant that inflation wasn't viewed as strictly a sexual thing, unlike at Stormrszone, another inflation site I'm a member of.

manuchao

What's with the ongoing discussion ? cboy got the information needed.

cboy

Apparently, LVK thinks this is a topic that needs discussion, so he's letting it go on.

You're right; I've got the info I need, but now I'm trying to defend myself.

darth_clone19
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cboy, this is a fetish site. Inflation is a fetish. If it wasn't we would be talking about the rise and fall of prices. Beyond that, the general population dont have the word "inflation" corresponding to something beyond what happens to a balloon, or to cartoons.

The purpose of me saying this is because you are taking the word inflation and taking it for what it is, not for what it is here. Here, inflation is a fetish. We dont use it to just say things inflate, like balloons or a car tire.

With that in mind, the guy who draws the cartoon isnt drawing "inflation", in the fetish sense we use here. He is just making a cartoon with a really funny gag (yes, I also find it humorous.)

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Roger64

Okay I'm sorry to bring this topic back into play.

But if Cboy can't do a story, why was Mr.Oma allowed to submit this?

http://bodyinflation.org/index.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=lastup&cat=0&pos=1

I'm not offended or anything and I'm not trying to
stir up a hornets nest. But I am just naturally
curious.

darth_clone19
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Roger64 wrote:
Okay I'm sorry to bring this topic back into play.

But if Cboy can't do a story, why was Mr.Oma allowed to submit this?

http://bodyinflation.org/index.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&meta=lastup&cat=0&pos=1

I'm not offended or anything and I'm not trying to
stir up a hornets nest. But I am just naturally
curious.

Because anime is already weird and rationalizing it is a waste of time?

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LutherVKane
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Roger64,

It's a legitimate question, and I probably don't have a satisfactory answer. I saw the submission and thought "inflating anime chick" rather than "inflating underage girl", so I didn't really give the matter much thought.

I'm sure there are a number of similar examples throughout the site that I haven't really given proper consideration to.

Roger64

Like I said, I wasn't at all offended but I wanted to here your stance on it.

LutherVKane
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It can be a sticky issue, but ultimately I have to make a call on it one way or another. Often it comes down to me asking myself "Would I be afraid of having to explain this if I were defending myself against an obscenity charge?"