...wtf? O.o
It's the same, one language, one fetish. It doesn't mean that if you don't do one special thing, you cannot be considered to be a part of one fetish.... E.g. Someone may like BSDM but (s)he avoids to use a whip - that doesn't mean that (s)he cannot be a BDSM fetishist. The same can we say about the language as well - the fact that someone enjoys fall instead of autumn or pronounces "shark" without "r" doesn't mean that (s)he speaks another language.
Failure of premise.
Denying the antecedent.
Argument by analogy.
Take your pick.
The website does not HAVE to represent all aspects of inflation. It doesn't have to do anything more than the owner wishes. There is no contract, there isn't even an implied agreement. Any such is inferred.
It's not one fetish. I'm an inflationist, not a RL inflationist. Yes, by not doing one thing, that excludes me from being a part of one fetish. If I'm an inflationist and I don't do RL inflation then that specifically denies the antecedent.
An equally apt (and wrong) analogy would be that I'm an inflationist therefore I like furry inflation. Which is not the case. The broad brush is absent of specificity.
Not taking the piss either.
TTF (That's the fuck)
Still, it doesn't make any sense - it's only your opinion - when I joined this site in 2003 (as another account I lost later), I thought it really represents all aspects of inflation because it really looked like so and I could find all although things changed later. It's ONE fetish, only some specifics may differ, that are the preferences - and the fact that the administrator decided that real practising "oficially" sucks is only HIS opinion just like YOURS but it doesn't change the nature of the fetish itself.
It's not like I would like defend the real inflation, I just hate when someone says that something isn't valid just because (s)he says so.
I hesitated to jump in on this as soon as the language analogies started flying because while it's not the best comparison to draw for a fetish... maybe not right away... I think I have to come up with some sort of middle ground here.
Okay, first let's get the digression out of the way. American English and British English aren't close to the same language? I disagree. A lot of modern linguists today would argue they both technically exist as separate dialects of the same language. To be honest, I've studied the field a little bit to suggest that both those dialects even have their own regional and ethnic "branches" that even further separate them. American English for one thing has the Boston accent, the Southern drawl, so on and so forth, but overall there's those little facets that distinctify one type from another. It is still universally called English, because even across the pond in the United Kingdom you're able to understand a speaker's or a writer's words for the most part. A minor qualm about classification, but one that could help get me where I'm going with this.
Despite the limited time I've been a member of this site, I believe it falls under the umbrella term of the "inflation fetish", because the one thing that I suppose unites all of the different mediums (art, literature, and film) and subjects is that somebody gets inflated or expanded with something. Matter of fact, this site certainly isn't the broadest stroke of the brush for inflation because we already rule out anthros, vehicles - God only knows what else.
An argument that I had to debunk in the linguistics field is-- "If you can keep breaking down a language into smaller and smaller little dialects, going from state to region to city to neighborhood, picking out the tiniest differences, going so far until you factor in individual families and their history of learning and using some form of communication; why don't we just say 'everyone has a different language'? No one learns and utilizes the same word bank, or pronounces things exactly the same, right? Separate everything." You could, but in that way you deny and forget all of the similar charactertistics that exist anyway. You make a language, or make a fetish, more exclusive instead of inclusive by drawing thicker lines between you and your neighbor. And of course there's no reason to act like this site should be a hugbox for every type out there, because there is undoubtedly an individual set of preferences for every user here, every roleplayer or artist or fan elsewhere with this kink. But despite how particular it can get, there's still something pulling it all under one roof...!
What I'm saying is the argument that doesn't work is "I live in my own neighborhood here; I have my own inflation fetish." Fuck that. No you don't. You have the same fetish but prefer a different "dialect" of it. By no means do you have to speak about other types to be a member here. By no means do you have to "listen" or "comprehend" them either. But you should likely respect it - for as long as the site's policy allows it - and finally I arrive at my actual point.
Languages can be influenced by a number of outside factors. What if a government made a rule that all of its citizens had to speak Swahili, or the citizens in Britain had better start learning all the aspects of a convincing scouser accent because soon the language police were going to start running around and detaining people who spoke otherwise? A change in this site's policy is ultimately a heavy blow to the discussion for the real-life practioners of the inflation fetish; admittedly, it's a group I don't fall within and have little problem with it not being seen here anymore. But I pose the same thing I was implying in my first response to this thread a few weeks ago-- everyone must be mindful of separating or elevating one branch of the inflation fetish over the other, because to me, at the very least it's unfair and petty to be belittling what another person ultimately enjoys. A fetish, I think, doesn't match up with all the complexities of a human language on paper, but it still exists as "innate" in someone's mind. Can either of these things that we might tie so closely to our character be helped?
I believe the both of you are right in a way. I think there's a universal inflation fetish but nothing says this site has to cater to every aspect because it already leaves things out. By rule it can change from the decision of the webmaster who is in all honesty trying to determine what's for the greater good of this place here. Though in doing so, it drifts closer and closer to suggesting a "better" interpretation of this fetish - which is reflected by the majority of the community here.
If there's a stable community of real-life inflationists elsewhere online, cool, there is no harm done. But any restriction is, in essence, still a restriction, and that kills a niche in a site that's already serving quite a big one for a select group of people as it is. It's a pessimistic outlook, but I'll be frank for once: if you want to cut off a branch of inflationists here, perhaps providing a resource to another website can help point people in the right direction rather than turning them away.
I will accept different dialects of the same language. Which is what "not mutually exclusive but discreet sets" means. (But I will still maintain that the two are only barely the same language, I lived in the UK for four years and there were a lot of times I thought "Huh, I always thought I spoke English" :) I actually communicate better in Russian than I do speaking english to the English)
But still inclusivist rubbish.
"Everyone must be mindful of separating or elevating one branch of the inflation fetish over the other"
No, they mustn't. It's just as vile for you to tell someone what they must do as it is for you to tell someone what they mustn't do. Admittedly we do have to play (relatively) well together to take part of this site, because it is private property. So Admin certainly can tell someone "I don't like what you are saying, get lost" (roughly) and make it stick. The rest of us however have a less omnipotent set of rules. We live on a more equal footing. Which translates out into: I don't have the authority to tell anyone else what to do, nor does anyone else have the authority to tell me what to do. Or to put it in a practical example:
I don't get to say "don't do IRL inflation, its bad and you're sick". And I never have. Because frankly, I don't care. It affects me in no way if someone sticks a hose up their butt, fine have a ball! If someone manages to kill themselves doing it, I still don't care.
However, I also don't have to have someone tell me "You have to be mindful of speaking or elevating one branch of the inflation fetish over the other" Because I don't. I'm going to speak of and elevate one branch of the inflation fetish over the other, the part of it that I like, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALL APPLY OR APPEAL TO ME.
While I hate argument by analogy, it seems to be the way things are done here. You're telling me I have to like every single thing in the salad bar the same. But I hate broccoli. I'm not going to try to talk someone else out of eating broccoli, but if you tell me I have to talk someone into eating broccoli, you're getting a fork stuck somewhere a fork isnt supposed to go.
Unless Admin says otherwise, I'm allowed to like what I like and I'm allowed to dislike what I dislike. And so are you.
I think the thing that's going to stop us from getting anywhere is the fact that neither of us are real-life inflationists and not the target of the conversation this site is potentially going to erase. Perhaps it's a little pointless for the both of us to be arguing for or against them being allowed to talk about their practice on this site...
But yeah, maybe I'm being a little pushy, but I should clarify that I'm not saying everybody has to like allllll the aspects of the inflation fetish/salad bar the same - that's unreal. I don't think I ever claimed that since I'm aware of my own biases in this fetish. Personal preference plays a role in what we as individuals enjoy, but I'd argue not what we have as a community to discuss. I'm asking that any particular way to indulge in the inflation fetish is tolerated - even ignored - if it doesn't apply to somebody. Just as it pretty much is now! I have certainly kept silent on the occasional threads that cropped up here in the past about the subject. I definitely know you're wise enough leave yourself out of it.
But because a group involved in this fetish disappears from the table, what I'm only hoping is that all of us don't come to think of real-life inflationists as an "other", a whole new "language" from the fantasy, which I still believe you inappropriately suggested when you claimed "IRL inflation is another totally different fetish." "You're telling me I have to like every single thing in the salad bar the same." I did not say this. I said you should at least see or regard that broccoli is a vegetable and is an option at the salad bar.
Again, I'll reiterate that for the interest of safety it's best for the discussion here to go, but it needs to remain "considered" in the inflation fetish as a whole. This is because I think some aspects simply make it similar to the rest of us rather than totally different. If it's "inclusivist rubbish" - fair enough, but as I came to understand it an online forum is as democratic and as accommodating to folks as a webmaster allows, and I suppose we both reach our impasse leaving it to his decision.
Thank you for your contribution to this discussion. You put into words the concerns that arise of this thread for me. Particularly, as you argued for the consideration of all subdivisions of this niche fetish in making decisions, you highlighted the factor of privilege in the inflation community. To explain, this forum has appeared to be, as you said, democratic and accomodating (as best as it can be), and because of that, there hasn't really been another forum like this one that practicing inflationists can go to. To reject this side of the fetish without acknowledging what it means to them isn't necessarily wrong, it's just mean, and a privileged action (since fantasy and clothes-inflating users are still left with a reliable, relatively safe from criticism forum). Whatever this site chooses to do is what will happen. It's just saddening that an already niche, socially mistreated fetish (Tosh.0 and other media like YouTube making fun of inflation fetishists) can be mean-spirited to its own members. That being said, I'll reiterate that I appreciate your understanding in all of this. It's what I used to see a lot of in the previous years, and I'm glad to see it still has a presence here.
I leave for a few days, and this thread just fucking erupts more violently than Yellowstone.
Great!
Another inflation page dead.
Now, thats a good joke.
This thread proves the danger is real: anal inflation causes butthurt.
I'm gonna have to burn you at the stake for this joke.
All this make me wonder how things are handled on sites that also host things that include extra cirricular activities that could potentially result in death if not done properly, like auto-erotic asphyxiation.
That being said, Im sure that would be a headache for Luther to have to worry about, getting sued, so by that logic, I say humbly say "nay" to RL inflation on this board, if I had a say so ^^;
Nothing personal, really. Though it's not my bag, do what you do and try to be safe. However, it does raise liabilities that I personally wouldnt want to face the risk of a suit. That's talking to a lawyer, having to explain shit that's frankly none of their business but you have to cover your ass, who the hell wants to do that? Say some dumbass kid not even old enough to be here stumbles upon this guide and hasn't quite wrapped their head around the concept of death fully.
Screw that noise.
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While we're on the subject of RL inflation, is it me or do most of the models who do it seem to have gained weight overtime? I figured it would make sense, artificially expanding your stomach would cause one to eat more from having a larger stomach, or maybe their is no correlation at all and its due to normal habits?
Seconded 100%
InflateChan is a close to home example of the type of shit a webmaster can be subjected to if they don't have their shit on lock. I know this is only my opinion but RL inflation has always skeeved the fuck out of me. I mean I def see the appeal to wanting to feel a certain way but visually it's so underwhelming especially with technology marching on the way it does now.
As you said though it's way too much of a liability. As far as AEA is concerned I'm pretty sure forums/discussion boards regarding stuff like that is pretty much confined to either the dark web or major websites with severely lax content rules. It's too dangerous and too easy to act out on. RL inflation straddles that line way too closely for something that isn't even integral to the inflation community as a whole.
as far as real life long term weight gain I concur though I personally can't help but feel it's a more physiological thing than anything else. I'm no Sigmumd Freud so take me with a grain of salt. People willing to essentially disfigure themselves for a fetish probably will have less qualms seeing themselves get fat over time and essentially want to be that way the whole time. I'm reminded of MissTeenBelly and how after a certain amount of time she started to gain weight. I remember her commenting that she was essentially ashamed of it socially speaking but privately was also shamefully proud and excited by her weight gain.
I think if excess weight didn't alter our faces so much you'd see a hell of a lot more overweight/obese self inflatonists. My two cents are over please don't kill me but if you do I guess that's cool too.
Most people end up gaining weight as they age because a very slight excess over required food intake leads to considerable increase over the years, and it's harder to lose after a while because of insulation and difficulty in exercising. I also think the digestive organs tend to get stretched, so there's just more stuff inside the abdominal cavity after a while, but if it's not done regularly they seem to shrink back again. I'm not sure it's okay to discuss this here though! And yes, you do get hungrier and it's harder to sate that appetite.
Full agreement.
Is there any way we can save RL inflation??? Maybe put up warnings such as "site is not responsible for user content use at your own risk/discretion"? Perhaps we can just hide it so only members are able to view it? Would it be possible to segment it to another forum or website? Real inflation is a big part of all this and in order for it to become safer and better people need to study it and communicate with each other. If you don't want to be apart of it that's fine but if so can someone please direct me where to go for this?
I've restrained myself from saying anything about this until now. I think it's up to Luther what he does on his own site and I totally understand that he would want to avoid any fallout from posts or possible real life responses around real life inflation. It's not up to anyone else to tell him what he should do with his site because it's his property and because he would bear the brunt of anything which might happen. I can also understand that you wouldn't want people's deaths and injuries on your conscience, and because we might well not hear from people who have injured themselves or died as a result of real life inflation, or others for that matter, for all we know this has already happened, and having that lack of closure around is also quite disturbing. An analogous situation: In real life I'm a healthcare professional and because I've seen thousands of patients, a couple of them have killed themselves just by the law of averages, but I also suspect that one other person actually did kill herself and I have no closure on that, and it's very hard to live with.
Having said that...
I see the situation as similar to boxing and alcohol consumption. We all know what happened when alcohol consumption was made illegal. If boxing was made illegal, it would be driven underground and people would still do it, but it would also become more dangerous and there would be more fatalities. Sexual desire is probably the most powerful drive we have as human beings, and people who want to inflate in real life for sexual gratification will not really be able to stop themselves. They will do it anyway, and because of that I think they need advice on doing it safely from somewhere, though clearly not from this site. To that end, I tried to build on the Wikipedia article on inflation fetishism but most of my contributions were removed. I think that placed people at risk. The ebook also contains safety advice after strongly advising people not to try it, and of course there's my YouTube channel.
This is not the right site to do it on. However, there does need to be accessible advice out there somewhere for reasons of safety because people are going to do it anyway. It's very similar to the situation with erotic asphyxiation.
I don't mean any of this as a criticism of anyone. I just think it's really important that people don't die or seriously injure themselves.
I pretty much agree with this. I just hope that real life inflation safety information finds a new home.
Thanks. Not sure what can be done about it though. I have tried to provide safety advice but I don't know how much it gets heard.
I have no doubt that real life inflation can be done safely by someone who knows their limits. At least it's very easy for me to tell when my body is feeling it's had enough and there's never been any sign of a problem. I don't go all out to be wreckless and I think most people doing it don't. I'm a bit disappointed about this because I joined this site hoping it was a good place to talk about it. I felt like I didn't fit in on gaining websites like fantasyfeeder because I'm not interested in weight gain.
The interests of users here seem to have changed as time's gone by, and to have drifted away from my own core focus somewhat, but I don't think anyone can be blamed for that. There used to be groups on MSN which were completely gone one day. There's influence from outside as well.
One issue is that although we might not be reckless, we would probably never find out when someone had been.
Such things still happen :(
http://www.japankyo.com/2017/12/wacky-weird-interesting-japanese-news-saitama-sugido-police-arrest-two-men-shoot-compressed-air-up-butt-ass-rectum-coworker-colleague-kill-dead-tear-hole-video/
Yo what the fuck
Ah, the body inflation equivalent of "you'll shooot your eye out".
Okay, unrelated, but could someone change the title of this thread, or at least, create a new sticky thread that reads in all caps: "NO REAL LIFE INFLATION TALK IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD" ? Seems like nobody cares about reading the stickies and the title as it stands is misleading cause it implies "some but not all" and not a definite prohibition.
I second the opinion of this poor homeless meme boy, Most people are dumbasses by nature and you need to be painfully direct with them.
source: worked at a thrift store for about two and a half weeks
Yes, apparently it needs to be made even clearer than it is already. Maybe we should make a big scary message which is also a real turn-off for most people, e.g. "Would you take a dump inside yourself? That's one thing you're risking when you self-inflate."
It’s been more than a year and I still don’t see a new website from the people who were so very concerned that safe RLI information would no longer be available.
History is made by those who show up for it.
BTW this seems a perfect example of some folks not being able to distinguish fantasy from reality. Fantasy won’t usually cause injury. Reality often will. “What is the new purpose of the site?” Same as the old one: Inflation fantasy.
And here we still are.
I mean not to go off on tangent, but why does it seem like issues distinguishing fantasy from reality are becoming a more readily apparent issue in modern society?
Because people are getting dumber.
remember tide pods? Lol
Inflation of the colon and rupture is classed as a medical emergency with immediate risk of sepsis and death. So I understand restrictions when i started seeing young kids doing it on youtube. I tried it around age 12. Anyone can grab a pump from the garage and use it with little research.
So I was wondering would someone like me be ok here? I expand any body parts at will with saline by medically trained hands (not via air or anything that could instantly kill me although an infection is probably the worst case scenario that antibiotics would clear). Nor would any minors have the equipment or know-how to copy it.
Would my real and bouncy expansions be allowed and would I need to conceal my methods and just show results? For all impressionable minds would know its just a morph and only those with a vested interest would know what it really is.
This was sometimes the place to go for real life pictures and fantasy but now just seems like another deviant art. Bodyinflationart.org might be a better new name lol
As someone pointed out above a while ago, this was always the place for an Inflation Fantasy. Its just that some people took it to reality. Owner is simply trying to bring it back to the fantasy element he started with, years ago.
On the main page it doesnt say this site is just for a bunch of drawings of stuff it says.
pneu*mat*ic (adjective)
1 : of, relating to, or USING GAS (as air or wind):
a : moved or worked by air pressure
b (1) : adapted for holding or inflated with compressed air
(2) : having air-filled cavities
2 : of or relating to the pneuma. spiritual
3 : having a well-proportioned feminine figure; especially : having a full bust fe*tish (noun)
1 a : an object of irrational reverence or obsessive devotion
b : an object or bodily part whose REAL or fantasied presence
is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is
an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with
complete sexual expression
2 : a rite or cult of fetish worshipers
Maybe that needs removing and clarification with some kind of relevant intro.
Posts about real life inflation are forbidden. While I understand that saline poses less risk of rupture, I'm still not convinced that it would be a good idea to host such content here. Current policy is informed by past experience and I believe is the prudent choice.
As always, I'm open to discussing the issue.
Saline poses no risk of rupture as its away from vital organs and the digestive system. But yeah i guess it all gets clumped together with real life dangerous stuff. Just thought it might be a fun thing to share as its like an inflators dream for me.
Heres a news article on it if anyone wants a giggle (hopefully as its already in the public domain and not instructional thats ok?) catch you later
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2841333/German-DJs-saline-injected-chests-bid-grow-boobs-life-really-like-women-claim-bras-torture.html
Double posted grr
Can you at least direct us to someplace else this type of content can be discussed? Discussion on irl inflation was the main reason I joined and I don't really know of any other inflation themed websites.
Honestly the reddit doesn't seem to be limited in quite the same way (based on what ive seen posted) so try there.
Ah, i see why some double posts might happen, now.
The subreddit does seem to exclude RL inflation in the same way even though it's actually called r/inflation_irl, and unfortunately r/inflation is about money! But if you know of any others, please message me.
No no, i meant literally the r/bodyinflation subreddit.
Oh right, didn't know about that one!
Safety should be a concern over all else. It would be a great shame to see this site implode simply because of correlation.
I get that but why name the website bodyinflation?
Because it includes a fantasy that fits that name. Whether it's real or not, its about a body that inflates.
Utter rubbish. IRL inflation is another totally different fetish. Ooodles of fantasy inflationists never have anything to do with IRL. They are not mutually exclusive but they are discrete sets.
(My ex-husband was British. It's only barely the same language)