I haven't thought about it as deeply as you seem to have done, but I don't mind it most of the time. It really depends on the character for me, as I'm not really into anthro or that kind of thing, so seeing Minnie Mouse (for example) inflated wouldn't do anything for me, nor would characters that are elderly or children. But that's just me. :D
Do you like inflation art of mainstream characters?
Sun, 06/15/2008 - 22:53
#3
Sun, 06/15/2008 - 23:50
#4
JSK00
degausser wrote:
As an artist (and I use the term roughly) I know that I have a certain view for a character when I give them a name, personality, and backstory. And I hate it when someone twists and turns it into something that it isn't.
I would have to agree with that statement. Many characters have specific roles, and aren't really allowed to hand them off to others. Our OCs are just a subset.
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 01:59
#5
I would have to say the complete opposite. I don't know why but a lot of the draw for me is seeing a character with a lot of history going out of the ordinary by inflating. If there's a character created simply to be inflated then it's no fun, it's just a balloon with a face drawn on it.
I don't know, that's just me.
But I agree on the use of the character. If there's a character who's usually tough or cowardly or whatever, and then the artist using them does them completely different; well then that's just bad fan art, it's a seperate issue from inflation.
I can see what you're saying though. If a character I had created in a completely serious context and was really invested in was taken by some chump and put in some bizarre fetish art that probably would really bother me.
But you can't have it both ways, and until one of my characters shows up on DA with an arm growing out of his face or something, I'll keep browsing Raven inflation fanart. :D
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 03:25
#6
I believe it has more to do with context than anything else. Their inflation/ transformation/ whatever has to somewhat be tied back into the world in which they exist.
My "Lara's Note to Self" series worked well because it all tied back into the heart of the games, which where artifacts of magic and power. The inflation one perhaps is more left field than the others, but it does tie back because she does don the scuba gear during the series.
Taking a character like, i dunno, Sango from Inyuyasha (for as much as i hate that show), and just blowing her up for the sake of it is really very boring. Weave in a story to it; A type of deamon weaving a spell of some sort, and now you have put it into context of her world, and therfore it's much more interesting.
Just my 2 cents.
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 03:41
#7
I'm kind of with AWittyname there for most of my ideas.
After awhile, anytime I did something with my 'Disney Berries' on DA, I'd try to formulate a reason as to why the character ended up in their predicament. Of course, some of those would require a huge amount of storytelling-such as a WG story revolving around Princess Calla (and possibly Sunni Gummi) in 'The Gummi Bears.'
To me, it usually boils down to quality. I see so much mediocre inflation/expansion art sometimes, and that often causes me to do some of the artwork I have out there.
I often do not read fanfiction. I tried to read a couple, but the way they were written just made me go, 'what is this?' I'd lilke to someday do a fan-storyboard of a Pepe le Pew inflation/expansion story. I have the basis for it, and could see it done in the Chuck Jones style, but to write it would be quite 'ghastly.'
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 03:54
#8
Like Witty said, they're fine with a good explanation. I'm all for 'em, but I refuse to draw them. I'm not sure why I'm so reticent about it, but it's my policy and I'm stickin' to it. :P
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 05:08
#9
Inflate123
They've been done before, they'll be done again -- once you create a character and that character gets popular, along the lines of the ones you've mentioned, it kind of belongs to the audience as much as you, and it's unrealistic to expect that all fans will always see the character the way you intended it to be viewed.
I've seen some great stuff and some weak stuff on the topic; I do agree that the context makes or breaks it.
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 05:41
#10
Inflate123 wrote:
They've been done before, they'll be done again -- once you create a character and that character gets popular, along the lines of the ones you've mentioned, it kind of belongs to the audience as much as you, and it's unrealistic to expect that all fans will always see the character the way you intended it to be viewed.I've seen some great stuff and some weak stuff on the topic; I do agree that the context makes or breaks it.
While I agree it is for the fans, that is different than letting the fans have their way with it. I dunno. It just seems wrong to me to do something with a character in a way vastly different then the way it was intended.
Lara Croft is, and has always been about, a 13-year-old's sexual fantasy, so I don't have such a big problem with inflating her. Not a big deal, she goes from sexual fantasy to different sexual fantasy.
But, in the case of, say people from Inuyasha, (Sango, Kagome, WHY do people make so much fan art about those gals? BTW I hate Inuyasha as well) Then you are taking a character that was not meant to be a sexual fetish and turning her into one.
BTW, this doesn't only apply to inflation for me. Making Peach a stuck up prissy so-and-so or making Samus a love-struck nymphomaniac is just a wrong, in my book. Like I said, if you are going to make a character compleatly different, why even use that character at all.
This, among others, is the reason I hate Shounen Ai.
Mon, 06/16/2008 - 06:38
#11
I don't like it too.
You should create your own character to inflate. I'ts also for me a bit cruel to the characters. Maybe they don't like it.(yeah, I know they don't excist and I'm weird :P )I even don't want to inflate my own "normal" characters!
Tue, 06/17/2008 - 03:24
#12
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Lara Croft is, and has always been about, a 13-year-old's sexual fantasy, so I don't have such a big problem with inflating her. Not a big deal, she goes from sexual fantasy to different sexual fantasy.But, in the case of, say people from Inuyasha, (Sango, Kagome, WHY do people make so much fan art about those gals? BTW I hate Inuyasha as well) Then you are taking a character that was not meant to be a sexual fetish and turning her into one.
BTW, this doesn't only apply to inflation for me. Making Peach a stuck up prissy so-and-so or making Samus a love-struck nymphomaniac is just a wrong, in my book. Like I said, if you are going to make a character compleatly different, why even use that character at all.
Actually, the funny thing about Lara Croft is she wasn't truly meant to be a 13 year old sexual fantasy. She was designed the way she was because, in video games at the time, the only real way to distinguish a female from male was to make a blatant characature of the female form. As shown by more recent incarnations of the series, they have started to remodel Lara, turning her into a more lean and athletic form than that of the past.
Anyways, back to the discussion on hand, I think you mistook my "in context" point. I never said anything about changing a characters personality at all to fit the fetish. I said the circumstances surrounding the character in the fetish had to be in context of their universe for it to be passable.
So, yeah, changing peach into a snob, or samus into a nympho is wrong by all standards. But my example of Sango is much more believable because I didn't change her or her universe to make it happen.
Face it, if it exists, it can and most likely will be perverted (come on, people are turned on by regular old furniture). As long as they don't make the character act out of character, then I believe that it makes it much more acceptable.
Tue, 06/17/2008 - 04:48
#13
Bacn
I feel sorry for artists. I imagine it must be infuriating to have other people use their characters in their drawings without the creator's consent, but most of them would probably be extremely pissed about having their creations used in fetish porn as extreme as this. But we can't stop it from being made, so we might as well enjoy it.
Tue, 06/17/2008 - 18:37
#14
I've never really thought about it. I'm not into any of the anime or manga that tends to provide most of the fan-inflation in this community, so I just ignore the fact that to someone else the inflatee is a character they know, to me she just an inflatee.
Occasionally I get a request to do a drawing involving a particular character, and I don't like doing that... mainly because I like to design my own characters, and don't want to have to grapple with the personality of a character I couldn't care less about or fit my art into a heavily prescriptive drawing style such as anime.
I thought this thread was going to be about those things, I know that some people have strong opinions on certain anime characters which affects whether or not they want to see them inflating.
As far as this thread goes. I can understand that if someone had spent a lot of time creating a character then they wouldn't want it to be twisted by someone else. Certainly I wouldn't want to see some of the artists and writers here have their characters bastardised; but that's mainly because the people who created these characters did so for our small community on a very personal level and any bastardisation will have a strong effect on the way their character is viewed.
If someone is a big-name cartoonist creating characters known around the world then it won't really affect the character if a couple of people in a small, insignificant fetish community rip it off. And also these people are getting paid hansomely to create these characters, so they shouldn't be immune to parody. Think of how much professional cartoonists, e.g. Seth MacFarlane and Matt Groening parody each other's work.
Wed, 06/18/2008 - 02:54
#15
RenegadeKamui
I have to agree that inflation fan-art should fit the character in question. I commissioned a pic of Raven from the Teen Titans cartoon inflating against her will because she is always struggling with her mind, her emotions, and the world she lives in, so having her struggle against her body fits her character well. But having, say, Franziska von Karma from Phoenix Wright or Mazzy from Baldur's Gate inflate would just be rather arbitrary.
I understand the reasoning behind an artist being offended by their characters being used in fetish art, but the ones I've heard speaking on the subject have been pretty cool about it. As long as the character has the correct number of breasts and cocks, they don't seem to mind.
Wed, 06/18/2008 - 08:17
#16
darth_clone19
I think getting pissed off at the Inuyasha creator, or the Pokemon creator, or whatever, is beyond pretentious. But thats me.
And if I want to see a character inflate, who cares that its not "artistic", or it doesnt fit that character? Who cares? What part of "sexual fetish" is not clear?
Wed, 06/18/2008 - 22:51
#17
Quote:
And if I want to see a character inflate, who cares that its not "artistic", or it doesnt fit that character? Who cares? What part of "sexual fetish" is not clear?
Because some people enjoy creativity beyond "look, woman balloon *fap fap*"
Wed, 06/18/2008 - 23:42
#18
RenegadeKamui
I should have clarified that I was talking about my personal preference, not some sort of ironclad rule. And I don't particularly mind if the character has no good reason to inflate, it's just that to me this doesn't make the picture any better than if it was an OC.
Fri, 06/27/2008 - 06:14
#19
This falls into two categories:
1. Character wanting to inflate themselves.
or
2. Character being forced to inflate.
#1 seems more like it would be betraying the character type IF the character would be against it for some reason. This is pretty much a tossup but I kinda lean towards the "If the shoe fits." answer.
I don't have many popular series characters that I've inflated over the years and the ones I did at this method all seem the type like they might enjoy it.
#2 is pretty obvious that in what is happening, story or picture, that the character doesn't want to be inflated but is a bit out of luck. I'm not big into forceful inflation so I can't give a good unbiased opinion here.
Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:06
#20
HeavyMetalRox
The greatest inflation scenarios ARE the ones involving mainstream characters. Daisy, Kitana, Lara Croft, and Morrigan make some of the best inflatees I've ever seen.
I just wanted to do a quick poll about inflation art about popular, mainstream characters. To be precice, I'm talking about inflation art of Kim Possible, Inuyasha, Teen Titans, ETC. NOT about inflation art done in response to an inflation story.
I may not win any popularity contests with this statement, but I hate it. To me, it seems disrespectful to the artist. When a dude (and I use the term to mean guy or gal, to me dude is gender neutral) creates a character, he has a concept and a theme, and if someone compleatly messes or changes it up, well, I know it would piss me off a lot.
As an artist (and I use the term roughly) I know that I have a certain view for a character when I give them a name, personality, and backstory. And I hate it when someone twists and turns it into something that it isn't. I guess my view is "If you are going to make a character compleatly different from her personality and have a compleatly different direction, why did you use that character in the first place?
Anyway, sorry for the little rant, but I am interested in how others feel.